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  • Refurbished Mac or PC?

    Posted by admin on November 17th, 2009 and filed under refurbished pc |

    hey im a student in marketing and have already gone through 2 PCs in 4 years. Im on a budget but I have enough to either get a refurbished mac from apple or another PC…
    the refurbished mac when ordering from apple comes with a one year warranty

    PC (Asus or http://www.powernotebooks for quality laptops).. Also, your other PCs might work with Linux.

    PC=Variety of specs, options, quality, prices, vendors, support
    Mac=One vendor, limited options, still more expensive. Look below for more information..

    Today, Macs use a subset of PC hardware. Why spend extra to get the same CPU chips, graphics cards and OS X isn’t as secure as you think..

    Don’t believe the lies that Macs are better than PCs at graphics/animation.. Dreamworks Animation http://www.dreamworksanimation.com/ under studio click on Technology of Animation, an independent film maker I know uses pcs, a graphic artist I used to know uses PCs also.

    A number of PCs can also run OS X (Mac OS) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os+x+on+pc&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=os+x+on+ as well just that Apple makes it illegal in order to get Market share.. The reason why Mac can run native Windows is because it is using a subset of PC hardware,

    If you decide to buy a Mac for running Windows, you will still have to get the same virus/spyware protection, and run into the same issues as a regular PC.

    Now is a Mac worth buying for OS X?

    I say: NO… for the following reasons…

    ADVANTAGES WINDOWS :
    Aprox 90% of the market is Windows and most PCs have windows already pre-installed.
    1) Some websites require Internet Explorer, to run IE on Mac you really get ies4osx which is the Windows version of IE running really buggy and illegal if you don’t have a legitimate copy of Windows.
    2) Supports more devices (printers and other things you hook into the computer).
    3) More business software/games
    4) Want the dock on OS X (Mac)? google/yahoo rocketdock, objectdoc.
    5) Used by businesses.

    ADVANTAGES LINUX :
    1) FREE (most versions are)
    2) Install software by either 1) Synaptic Package Manager, 2) Add/Remove 3) Opening a .deb or .rpm file (depending on distribution)
    2) Like the Mac OS X effects? go yahoo/google COMPIZ FUSION which can do any cool effect a Mac can do and many ore….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3gkX9HDfEE (there is no flickering when you use it like on the video, not sure why the person has the flicker)
    3) Mac OS X Doc? google/yahoo Avant Window Navigator.Cairo Dock, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rf5q_cairo-dock-mac-os-x-leopard-dock-on_tech
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hzi22g2DE
    4) It is FASTER/MORE SECURE to surf on the internet
    5) Some Windows programs work with Wnehq/Crossover (also avail on Mac, but why pay $$$)

    Instructions how to download, burn and boot http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/use-ubuntu-live-cd-to-backup-files-from-your-dead-windows-computer/
    Dual Boot Instructions http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm

    SECURITY
    Mac OS X was hacked in 2006 less than 30 minutes, and within 2 minutes in a contest in 2008, and within 10 seconds in 2009. In 2008, Linux and Vista were not hacked until another day when restrictions were lowered. Vista was next, and then Linux. In 2009 Windows 7 fell shortly after the Mac but Linux was unscathed.
    Macs are standardized with Cameras, if your Mac gets hacked, the hacker can turn on your camera with more ease.
    Please Note: All OS’s have vulnerabilities.
    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac-OS-X-hacked-under-30-minutes/0,130061744,139241748,00.htm
    http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/27/Gone-in-2-minutes-Mac-gets-hacked-first-in-contest_1.html
    http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/19/Researcher_cracks_Mac_in_10_seconds_1.html
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Finds-Irony-in-Mac-OS-X-Getting-Hacked-Before-Vista-SP1-82135.shtml

    VIRUSES
    Mac OS X has viruses (and significantly on the rise), a friend of mine has a virused Mac. As more users use Macs, more viruses will come out for it. Especially when users think "they are safe".
    http://infosecurity.us/?p=4005
    http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2008/07/malware_authors_take_aim_at_growing_number_of_1.html
    http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/poll_have_you_noticed_an_increase_in_malware_viruses_etc_on_your_mac/

    QUALITY/PROBLEMS
    Contrary to belief, Macs are not better quality. Apple also has been changing suppliers to try to "lower the price" and thus lowering quality. Even with the lower prices, Macs still cost more, they spend a higher percent of budget trying to make it look pretty, and marketing.

    Sample of problems: Deleting your Data (Snow Leopard), Overheating Macbooks, OS X- not responding to keyboard, some units with 16bit screens, etc. Apple statistics are misleading since Mac users with problem machines are more likely to go out and buy a new computer than PC users. Apple is lowering prices which means you can expect lower quality than in the past. Apple had switched the manufacturers producing parts. OS X also has problems slowing down.
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=5006
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10020263-17.html
    http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/01/apples-quality-dwindling-my-macbook-pro-sob-story/
    http://www.appledefects.com/
    http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-operating-system/107748-mac-os-leopard-running-slow.html
    http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/reliable-laptops.jpg

    Repairs are more expensive than PCs since the IMac, Mac Mini are compact units, and Apple charges a premium for their services. Some repairs can be done by another repair service but the compact design of the computer causes problems.
    With an IMac, if the problem is with the monitor, the whole computer would have to be brought in.
    IMac and Mac mini lack expansion.

    PRICE
    A similar equipped PC is much cheaper to purchase than Mac. Lets use Dell (but you can compare with another PC Brand if you like)

    **(LAPTOP)
    Dell Inspiron Laptop Starting Price: $500
    Ending Price: $500
    15" Screen
    CPU: 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo [5% slower]
    Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD [Not as good/fine for general use[
    Memory: 3GB DDR2 SDRAM [75% of ram)
    Hard Drive: 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (same)
    http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndozm4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=laptop-inspiron-1545

    Cybperpower Notebook Xplorer X5-2900 Starting Price: $755
    Ending Price After upgrades (not including 5% rebate): $860
    15" Screen
    CPU: (upgrade to) 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (+$100) [FASTER]
    Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9600-GT 512MB [MUCH FASTER/BETTER CARD]
    Memory: 4GB DDR2 SDRAM [MORE MEMORY]
    Hard Drive: (upgrade to) 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (+$5) [LARGER HARD DRIVE]
    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X5-2900_Notebook/detail

    Macbook Starting laptop Price: $1000
    Ending Price After Upgrades: $1200
    13" Screen (SMALLER)
    CPU: 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (SLOWER)
    Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9400 256MB
    Memory: (upgrade to) 4GB DDR2 SDRAM (SAME)
    Hard Drive (upgrade to) 320B Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (SAME)
    http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC240LL/A?mco=NjcxMTQ3Ng

    **(DESKTOP)

    PLEASE NOTE: I compare Apple Mac’s vs Dells best deal. If you really want an all-in one the Dell all-in-one has more ram, wireless keyboard and mouse and equivalent to $400 for free making the Imac still more expensive when you matching specs. Personally I don’t think the All-in-Ones are a good choice, and consider them overpriced, lack expandability and repairs both more expensive and require the entire computer.

    PS: Apple knows that they need to make Macintosh look different than PC so all Macs except the Mac Pro will not have a tower option. Apple’s low end lacks expandability but it makes the Mac "look different", if Mac had a tower for low-end, more people would realize the similarities between the two.

    Dell: ($700)
    CPU: 2.33 GHZ Dell Inspiron QUAD (4 Processor) CORE
    SCREEN: 20inch Screen
    MEMORY: 4GB Ram
    HARD DRIVE: 500 GB hard Drive
    OPTICAL DRIVE: 16x DVD/CD Read/Writer
    GRAPHICS: ATI Radeon HD 512MB
    http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddwra4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=desktop-inspiron-537s

    The Mac Mini since it has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, very skimpy on options and setup and is not the best deal… The IMac is better price than the Mac Mini.

    IMac ($1300)
    CPU: 2.4 GHZ DUAL (2 Processor) CORE (SLOWER CPU)
    SCREEN: 20inch Screen
    MEMORY: (upgrade to) 4GB Ram (SAME)
    HARD DRIVE: (upgrade to ) 320 GB hard Drive (LESS HARD DRIVE)
    OPTICAL DRIVE: 8x DVD Reader/Writer (1/2 speed)
    GRAPHICS: Nvidia Geforce 9400M (APPROX SAME BUT LESS MEMORY GAPHICS)
    http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB417LL/A?mco=NDE4Mzg3Ng

    Equivalents to ILife
    http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20070830_ilife_for_windows.html
    http://www.xsellize.com/showthread.php?t=20518

    FREE Windows Stuff
    http://www.comodo.com/products/free_products.html
    http://www.iobit.com/
    http://www.ccleaner.com/
    ANTI-VIRUS
    Avira Antivir (FREE) for 2009 personal edition is free (there is a paid version) the free version was rated the best by onsumer reports 2009 and here http://www.freewaregenius.com/2009/04/07/the-best-free-antivirus-a-comparison/
    http://www.free-av.com/

    Avast (Free- Click under Free Software and download Avast Home Edition) http://www.avast.com/

    ANTI-MALWARE
    Windows Defender (FREE)
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx
    Malware Bytes (FREE) Limitation - No Realtime protection on free version.
    http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware/3000-8022_4-10804572.html?tag=mncol
    Super Anti-Spyware (FREE)
    http://download.cnet.com/SuperAntiSpyware-Free-Edition/3000-8022_4-10523889.html?tag=mncol

    LINUX INFO:
    http://distrowatch.com/
    http://polishlinux.org/
    http://www.desktoplinux.com/
    http://polishlinux.org/
    http://www.ubuntu.com/

    2 Responses

    1. Jerry J Says:

      Get a PC with the warranty
      References :

    2. Substance over Style Says:

      PC (Asus or http://www.powernotebooks for quality laptops).. Also, your other PCs might work with Linux.

      PC=Variety of specs, options, quality, prices, vendors, support
      Mac=One vendor, limited options, still more expensive. Look below for more information..

      Today, Macs use a subset of PC hardware. Why spend extra to get the same CPU chips, graphics cards and OS X isn’t as secure as you think..

      Don’t believe the lies that Macs are better than PCs at graphics/animation.. Dreamworks Animation http://www.dreamworksanimation.com/ under studio click on Technology of Animation, an independent film maker I know uses PCs, a graphic artist I used to know uses PCs also.

      A number of PCs can also run OS X (Mac OS) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os+x+on+pc&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=os+x+on+ as well just that Apple makes it illegal in order to get Market share.. The reason why Mac can run native Windows is because it is using a subset of PC hardware,

      If you decide to buy a Mac for running Windows, you will still have to get the same virus/spyware protection, and run into the same issues as a regular PC.

      Now is a Mac worth buying for OS X?

      I say: NO… for the following reasons…

      ADVANTAGES WINDOWS :
      Aprox 90% of the market is Windows and most PCs have windows already pre-installed.
      1) Some websites require Internet Explorer, to run IE on Mac you really get ies4osx which is the Windows version of IE running really buggy and illegal if you don’t have a legitimate copy of Windows.
      2) Supports more devices (printers and other things you hook into the computer).
      3) More business software/games
      4) Want the dock on OS X (Mac)? google/yahoo rocketdock, objectdoc.
      5) Used by businesses.

      ADVANTAGES LINUX :
      1) FREE (most versions are)
      2) Install software by either 1) Synaptic Package Manager, 2) Add/Remove 3) Opening a .deb or .rpm file (depending on distribution)
      2) Like the Mac OS X effects? go yahoo/google COMPIZ FUSION which can do any cool effect a Mac can do and many ore….
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3gkX9HDfEE (there is no flickering when you use it like on the video, not sure why the person has the flicker)
      3) Mac OS X Doc? google/yahoo Avant Window Navigator.Cairo Dock, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rf5q_cairo-dock-mac-os-x-leopard-dock-on_tech
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hzi22g2DE
      4) It is FASTER/MORE SECURE to surf on the internet
      5) Some Windows programs work with Wnehq/Crossover (also avail on Mac, but why pay $$$)

      Instructions how to download, burn and boot http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/use-ubuntu-live-cd-to-backup-files-from-your-dead-windows-computer/
      Dual Boot Instructions http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm

      SECURITY
      Mac OS X was hacked in 2006 less than 30 minutes, and within 2 minutes in a contest in 2008, and within 10 seconds in 2009. In 2008, Linux and Vista were not hacked until another day when restrictions were lowered. Vista was next, and then Linux. In 2009 Windows 7 fell shortly after the Mac but Linux was unscathed.
      Macs are standardized with Cameras, if your Mac gets hacked, the hacker can turn on your camera with more ease.
      Please Note: All OS’s have vulnerabilities.
      http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac-OS-X-hacked-under-30-minutes/0,130061744,139241748,00.htm
      http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/27/Gone-in-2-minutes-Mac-gets-hacked-first-in-contest_1.html
      http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/19/Researcher_cracks_Mac_in_10_seconds_1.html
      http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Finds-Irony-in-Mac-OS-X-Getting-Hacked-Before-Vista-SP1-82135.shtml

      VIRUSES
      Mac OS X has viruses (and significantly on the rise), a friend of mine has a virused Mac. As more users use Macs, more viruses will come out for it. Especially when users think "they are safe".
      http://infosecurity.us/?p=4005
      http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2008/07/malware_authors_take_aim_at_growing_number_of_1.html
      http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/poll_have_you_noticed_an_increase_in_malware_viruses_etc_on_your_mac/

      QUALITY/PROBLEMS
      Contrary to belief, Macs are not better quality. Apple also has been changing suppliers to try to "lower the price" and thus lowering quality. Even with the lower prices, Macs still cost more, they spend a higher percent of budget trying to make it look pretty, and marketing.

      Sample of problems: Deleting your Data (Snow Leopard), Overheating Macbooks, OS X- not responding to keyboard, some units with 16bit screens, etc. Apple statistics are misleading since Mac users with problem machines are more likely to go out and buy a new computer than PC users. Apple is lowering prices which means you can expect lower quality than in the past. Apple had switched the manufacturers producing parts. OS X also has problems slowing down.
      http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=5006
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10020263-17.html
      http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/01/apples-quality-dwindling-my-macbook-pro-sob-story/
      http://www.appledefects.com/
      http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-operating-system/107748-mac-os-leopard-running-slow.html
      http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/reliable-laptops.jpg

      Repairs are more expensive than PCs since the IMac, Mac Mini are compact units, and Apple charges a premium for their services. Some repairs can be done by another repair service but the compact design of the computer causes problems.
      With an IMac, if the problem is with the monitor, the whole computer would have to be brought in.
      IMac and Mac mini lack expansion.

      PRICE
      A similar equipped PC is much cheaper to purchase than Mac. Lets use Dell (but you can compare with another PC Brand if you like)

      **(LAPTOP)
      Dell Inspiron Laptop Starting Price: $500
      Ending Price: $500
      15" Screen
      CPU: 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo [5% slower]
      Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD [Not as good/fine for general use[
      Memory: 3GB DDR2 SDRAM [75% of ram)
      Hard Drive: 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (same)
      http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndozm4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=laptop-inspiron-1545

      Cybperpower Notebook Xplorer X5-2900 Starting Price: $755
      Ending Price After upgrades (not including 5% rebate): $860
      15" Screen
      CPU: (upgrade to) 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (+$100) [FASTER]
      Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9600-GT 512MB [MUCH FASTER/BETTER CARD]
      Memory: 4GB DDR2 SDRAM [MORE MEMORY]
      Hard Drive: (upgrade to) 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (+$5) [LARGER HARD DRIVE]
      http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X5-2900_Notebook/detail

      Macbook Starting laptop Price: $1000
      Ending Price After Upgrades: $1200
      13" Screen (SMALLER)
      CPU: 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (SLOWER)
      Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9400 256MB
      Memory: (upgrade to) 4GB DDR2 SDRAM (SAME)
      Hard Drive (upgrade to) 320B Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (SAME)
      http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC240LL/A?mco=NjcxMTQ3Ng

      **(DESKTOP)

      PLEASE NOTE: I compare Apple Mac’s vs Dells best deal. If you really want an all-in one the Dell all-in-one has more ram, wireless keyboard and mouse and equivalent to $400 for free making the Imac still more expensive when you matching specs. Personally I don’t think the All-in-Ones are a good choice, and consider them overpriced, lack expandability and repairs both more expensive and require the entire computer.

      PS: Apple knows that they need to make Macintosh look different than PC so all Macs except the Mac Pro will not have a tower option. Apple’s low end lacks expandability but it makes the Mac "look different", if Mac had a tower for low-end, more people would realize the similarities between the two.

      Dell: ($700)
      CPU: 2.33 GHZ Dell Inspiron QUAD (4 Processor) CORE
      SCREEN: 20inch Screen
      MEMORY: 4GB Ram
      HARD DRIVE: 500 GB hard Drive
      OPTICAL DRIVE: 16x DVD/CD Read/Writer
      GRAPHICS: ATI Radeon HD 512MB
      http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddwra4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=desktop-inspiron-537s

      The Mac Mini since it has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, very skimpy on options and setup and is not the best deal… The IMac is better price than the Mac Mini.

      IMac ($1300)
      CPU: 2.4 GHZ DUAL (2 Processor) CORE (SLOWER CPU)
      SCREEN: 20inch Screen
      MEMORY: (upgrade to) 4GB Ram (SAME)
      HARD DRIVE: (upgrade to ) 320 GB hard Drive (LESS HARD DRIVE)
      OPTICAL DRIVE: 8x DVD Reader/Writer (1/2 speed)
      GRAPHICS: Nvidia Geforce 9400M (APPROX SAME BUT LESS MEMORY GAPHICS)
      http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB417LL/A?mco=NDE4Mzg3Ng

      Equivalents to ILife
      http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20070830_ilife_for_windows.html
      http://www.xsellize.com/showthread.php?t=20518

      FREE Windows Stuff
      http://www.comodo.com/products/free_products.html
      http://www.iobit.com/
      http://www.ccleaner.com/
      ANTI-VIRUS
      Avira Antivir (FREE) for 2009 personal edition is free (there is a paid version) the free version was rated the best by onsumer reports 2009 and here http://www.freewaregenius.com/2009/04/07/the-best-free-antivirus-a-comparison/
      http://www.free-av.com/

      Avast (Free- Click under Free Software and download Avast Home Edition) http://www.avast.com/

      ANTI-MALWARE
      Windows Defender (FREE)
      http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx
      Malware Bytes (FREE) Limitation - No Realtime protection on free version.
      http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware/3000-8022_4-10804572.html?tag=mncol
      Super Anti-Spyware (FREE)
      http://download.cnet.com/SuperAntiSpyware-Free-Edition/3000-8022_4-10523889.html?tag=mncol

      LINUX INFO:
      http://distrowatch.com/
      http://polishlinux.org/
      http://www.desktoplinux.com/
      http://polishlinux.org/
      http://www.ubuntu.com/
      References :
      http://www.kubuntu.org/
      http://www.freespire.org/
      http://www.pclinuxos.com/
      http://xwinman.org/gnome.php
      http://xwinman.org/kde.php
      http://www.linuxalt.com/
      http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/
      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX
      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
      http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/

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